Will A CDMA BlackBerry Curve Be Announced Before WES?

by Robb Dunewood on January 22, 2008 · 104 comments

The largest BlackBerry show in the world, Wireless Enterprise Symposium (WES), kicks off May 13th down in Orlando Florida. Word on the street is that a CDMA BlackBerry Curve could be announced before then.

That’s right, for all you Verizon subscribers that email RIMarkable everyday asking when the Verizon BlackBerry Curve will come, sometime in the next 4 months if the rumor is right.

CDMA versions of BlackBerry devices pretty consistently come out about a year after their GSM cousins. Will a CDMA BlackBerry Curve come out before WES? Possibly… The original BlackBerry Curve, however, didn’t come out until the end of May last year. I think that an official announcement of a CDMA BlackBerry Curve at WES, shortly followed by a launch on Verizon shortly thereafter is a bit more likely.

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  • bluehorseshoe

    So you’re saying Apple’s greed is OK but Verizon’s isn’t?

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  • hellno

    Apple and at&t with the iPhone are forcing change in the wireless industry, IMO a long over due change. The best part is (again IMO) it’s change for the better for not only consumers but the entire industry including the service providers. Open needs to be the name of the game when it comes to consumer communications. I’ll gladly pay for quality, I’ll gladly pay for services I use, but service providers have no right, nor excuse to control the services I use and/or cripple and remove functions and features from my devices then worse trying to lie about doing it or why they did it. The key words are open, quality, and most of all service providing with expectations for pro-consumer service, not actions (like verizon’s, ever since the name change, these were not nynex and bell atlantic actions, at least the anti-consumer actions where not noticeable back then) We might agree all providers have different strengths, there are some more open, there are some which are more straight forward when it comes to their business and what they have to offer. Again it’s puzzling when those who claim they are RIM fans think verizon’s crippling feature and function removal is a positive action or is not one of the many reasons why verizon doesn’t get RIM’s first, second or even third priority from RIM or any other top tier device manufacture. Knowing the TRUTH we sure can not fault any of the manufactures when it comes to dealing with verizon. Will the Curve ever be manufactured for cdma? Will verizon allow it’s customers to buy and activate it? Will verizon do their normal cripple, feature and function removal on the Curve if they do carry it? All good questions but the answers come from TRUTH not ignorance and FUD.

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  • hellno

    “bluehorseshoe #50. January 25th, 2008, at 5:06 PM.
    So you’re saying Apple’s greed is OK but Verizon’s isn’t?”

    Are you again showing us all again that you are that ignorant to not see that Apple is a manufacture and verizon is a service provider?

    IMO Apple doesn’t show greed, they have a very HOT product which is going to make those companies involved alot of money. Apple came to a agreement with at&t, Apple would manufacture and manage the device, at&t would get the exclusive right to provide services for the device. Are you that you are that ignorant and out of touch to see that as greed? Do you not get it that Apple and at&t are both better off because of this agreement? RIM and other top tier manufactures would be smart to try to make the same type of agreements with service providers as long as the products are of the same revolutionary design and quality as the iPhone.

    The difference is verizon is a service provider and yes they have greed and it is focused at their customers. From the inability to buy and activate a non-branded verizon phone on verizon’s network, to verizon crippling, removing features and functions from those branded device they allow you to purchase and activate all in the name of verizon CONTROL over it’s customers and making some everyday functions impossible (on devices which have those functions designed and built in) all in the name of charging consumers more money for functions built into devices which have been crippled, autonomous functions (for example bluetooth and gps) which don’t require verizon’s wireless service to function.

    Willful ignorance. Learn the TRUTH.

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  • bluehorseshoe

    Wow. Can you be a little more specific and tell me how you really feel?

  • Rams

    Wasn’t the topic of this post something about a CDMA Curve and when it will be released?…

  • JHP2

    As usual we are just wasting our time with Hellno. As has been mentioned, CR, Cnet and Gartner have all said that VZW has the best network in the US. And how is EDGE treating you? Does no good to reason with the inreasonable. In any event, Robb made and some excellent points about why people choose netwroks and why VZW works for him. Disclosure, I worked for Sprint in the BSP channel We always targeted Cingular/ATT as we had competitive advantages vs. them, especially in regards to data which was our focus. We shied away from targeting VZW as they had the same technology just a larger and better network, especially density of signal. We would have Gartner in to brief us and they would apologize before telling us that VZW had the best wireless network in the US!

  • JHP2

    As far as the delays in releases of Blackberrys at VZW, RIM was candid with our team as to some of the reasons that CDMA BB’s trailed. First, they release GSM models first due to more WW usage of GSM (that will make Hellno happy) so they get more bang for each release. Secondly, ATT/Cingular/ATT had the largest install base of BBs dating back to the early models. Something else they mentioned was that there was a period of exclusivity granted to them, much like Sprint enjoyed for years on the Treo. If you recall, they always got the Treo six months before anyone else.

  • steveo

    Well JHP2 couldn’t have said it better. Just wondering if you have insight into upcoming BB CDMA releases you can share.

  • hellno

    Thanks for the mention and posting your FUD based dreams JHP2. The reasons why RIM devices are years late for cdma are not that black and white. Sadly even someone in the business can’t tell the TRUTH, but wouldn’t expect anything different. Though with Sprint’s performance lately that should all change too. BTW hows that “target(ing) at&t going for sprint? ha ha ha ha sprint’s scary “competitive advantages” couldn’t beat some of the mvno’s. sprint should be “targeting” customers from every other provider out there since all of them are walking away with ex-sprint customers. There is no “best” when it comes to wireless service providers. TRUTH before FUD.

    “Sprint Nextel’s problems in part reflect the company’s failure to compete effectively against its two larger rivals, AT&T and Verizon Wireless, the mobile joint venture owned by Verizon and Britain’s Vodafone group. Both have been posting strong subscriber growth and picking up customers from Sprint.

    The strong fourth quarter figures from AT&T on Thursday underscored this trend. ”We had an excellent fourth quarter, which affirms our outlook for 2008,” said Randall Stephenson AT&T chief executive.” (aka in part thanks to the iPhone)

    Sprint Nextel replaces three senior executives
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c0031780-ca9c-11dc-a960-000077b07658,dwp_uuid=e8477cc4-c820-11db-b0dc-000b5df10621.html

    Just like the CR, Cnet, and Gartner OPINIONS. You did get one thing right at&t having the largest BB install base, the largest subscriber base, and there are many reasons for that. Keep up the good work JHP2 all those briefings from Gartner seem to be driving Sprint down the road to non-existence or a blue light special buy.

    Gartner: Wrong Again
    http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3357988840
    “It’s refreshing to see that the software industry isn’t the only place where Gartner has no clue – listen to them on the Wii:
    The newly published article cites Van Baker of analyst firm Gartner suggesting of the Wii: “Its appeal is primarily to casual gamers, and there’s a serious question about how long casual gamers will stay engaged with the platform… It wouldn’t be surprising to see them lose interest after a relatively short amount of time.”

    Willful ignorance. Learn the TRUTH.

  • hellno

    Funny the whole thing must keep Mike and Jim up late every night while burning the Waterloo midnight oil trying to decide how much (or little) money to spend on designing and manufacturing devices for:

    A company like verizon who is guaranteed to cripple and remove functions and features from any BB RIM designs for cdma.

    A company like sprint who quarter after quarter does nothing right and while they allow RIM BB’s to operate full out as designed have a rapidly shrinking subscriber base, just how many RIM BB devices must be sold at Sprint to make it worth while.

    Worse for RIM when deciding how best to handle verizon and sprint RIM must deal with qualcomm which no company in the world wants to deal with.

    verizon, sprint, qualcomm are just 3 reasons why RIM designing and manufacturing BB’s for cdma is a lose/lose, and why any BB device for cdma comes out a year or more after it’s standard, open, global GSM brother and sister.

  • hellyes

    I’m so tired of reading posts by hellno, when all I want to know is when verizon is releasing the Curve. On every website forum, its the same thing (FUD, willful this and Truth that), along with the constant supply of links.

    Enough is enough. Stick to the topic, stop trying to educate the world on your beliefs and facts. Can’t the websites ban this guy? Its one thing to have your opinion, everyone is allowed that, but unless you are answering the question, don’t post. Its NOT helpful. All the wireless carriers SUCK! Pick your poison. Verizon is ok with me for now. I just want the curve. (I’m sure I will get some bashing for this post by hellno).

  • Greg B

    Yeah, I second hellyes here. It’s really annoying having to see this hellno clown’s rants all the time. Enough already.

  • hellno

    hellyes
    #63. January 27th, 2008, at 1:17 PM.
    (I’m sure I will get some bashing for this post by hellno).

    Lame “hellyes”, very lame.

    You piss and moan about off topic posts, yet you chose to take things personal in true “love me daddy, give me attention” fashion and make a off topic post too.

    The above posts are more on topic than your post giving your OPINION of what should or should not be posted. You claim to just want the curve? The advice to you is shut your pie hole if all you can post is your thoughts and opinions of what others should post or not post, especially when those in the know post the TRUTH. You want to censor the TURTH? If you can’t handle the TRUTH you too can feel free to head over to http://www.powderpuffmarkable.com Sorry to bust the vealot bubble with the TRUTH and FACTS, but nothing here (or anywhere) is going to help you get the Curve with verizon branding. You claim “I just want the curve” the only helpful hint your going to get from RIMarkable is if you want to Curve tottle your butt over to your closest at&t or t-Mo and get a Curve. The Curve’s are and have been available on standard, open, global GSM. No need to piss and moan while blaming others for no help getting a RIM product which has not currently, (if ever) been designed, manufactured or released.

    Willful ignorance. Learn the TRUTH.

  • hellno

    Greg B,
    You too can feel free to head over to http://www.powderpuffmarkable.com Yet another vzw customer that can’t handle the TRUTH and another vealot bubble of hope has been burst.

    You might want the curve too, but the only helpful hint your going to get is if you want to Curve tottle your butt over to your closest at&t or t-Mo and get a Curve. The Curve’s are and have been available on standard, open, global GSM. No need to piss and moan while blaming others for no help getting a RIM product which has not currently, (if ever) been designed, manufactured or released.

    Willful ignorance. Learn the TRUTH.

  • Ben

    @hellno:

    I think we are all very aware of you’re position at this point and we just don’t care.

    “BUT IT’S THE ‘TRUTH’ ” you scream! Yeah, we really don’t care. I’ve heard what you have to say and I still don’t care – even if to just piss you off more. I don’t think you should be banned because I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and you’ve made yours VERY EVIDENT now STFU!

  • hellno

    Ben,

    Try this on for size, since you graced us again with a personal post, right back at you “we just don’t care” what you think or have to post either. It was partly your ignorance or worse lies which showed the glaring need for some schooling about the TRUTH and REALITY about verizon. Did anyone tell you to “STFU!”? Did anyone post a personal post at you before you spoke up and put your foot in your mouth telling you “we don’t care”?

    Have some class, have some respect. Stay ON TOPIC and OFF your personal thoughts and dreams of others. Treat others as you’d like to be treated. Again you thru ignorance or lies more or less started the lesson in verizon TRUTH and REALITY. Thanks for defining how you’d like to be treated here at RIMarkable, you can expect the same the next time you get out of line again with your FUD and lies. Your choice is to learn the TRUTH and REALITY’s of vzw, or continue getting screwed vealot.

  • Ben

    Hellno,

    …you are hardly the one to preach about staying on topic….

    You took a post about a particular carrier getting a particular device and turned it into a rant about how that carrier just rubs you the wrong way and how NO ONE should ever use them in any situation.

    But then I guess we are all fools for playing along and giving you the attention you wanted and fueling the fire.

  • Ben

    …with that said. I’m done with this post. Hopefully you and I can be friends one day, hellno.

  • Greg B

    Hellno, I do want the Curve, but not so bad that I’d switch from VZW. And here’s a perfect example of why: I was at a Knicks game at MSG the other day with my friend. He has a Curve on T-Mobile; I an 8830. We both were checking something out on ESPN.com; I found what I was looking for within a few moments; he didn’t even have service. And here’s the kicker — we both looked over and there was a gigantic T-Mobile ad on the scoreboard right next to us (even he had to laugh). I’ve had similar experiences with my iPhone owning friend. But whatever.

  • hellno

    Ben,

    Way to keep up the ignorance, glad you can show us your true self….

    “Ben
    #7. January 22nd, 2008, at 12:33 PM.
    @Jason:
    Verizon leaves the BB OS alone for the most part (they use their own initial color scheme). And GPS is currently available on the Verizon Pearl so I don’t know why they wouldnt offer it on the Curve.”

    Ben
    #23. January 24th, 2008, at 9:15 PM.
    @hellno:
    This is not new information to me… I just don’t care.
    P.S. – also proudly and happily shop at Wal-Mart.

    MCwireless and Walmart…. ignorance at it’s worst.

    Oh yeah in your own words a “fool”. Sounds like lies and FUD to me.

  • hellno

    Ben,

    Oh by the way your piss poor actions of making personal, off topic posts is no ones fault but your own. It’s the attention you crave making you post like you do, when posting do you expect the person your lying and FUD’ing to just ignore you and your ignorance?

    Have some class, have some respect. Stay ON TOPIC and OFF your personal thoughts and dreams of others. Treat others as you’d like to be treated. You have shown you need attention and how you post towards others, like I said expect the same in return.

  • bluehorseshoe

    Over 50 of the 70+ posts have been tied to hellno in one way or another. We’ve gone from how VZW sucks, the iPhone is the best, to union busting. Even the author had to address him twice.

    The topic was about VZW getting the Curve.
    As for the reception at the Knicks game, that’s funny. Any chance my Knicks had something to do with the poor performance?

  • hellno

    Greg,

    Funny how I’m in MSG alot and I have very good at&t service in there (like I do most places) guess I’m just lucky. Can tell you verizon also has it’s own places where service can be not so good. T-Mo and the others have just as good if not better coverage than vzw at MSG. There could be other things which can effect service, even temporary things. Service in the metro areas, more than anywhere, service between providers is equal. Heck even under MSG, under the waiting room at&t (GSM) service is loud and clear on the tracks. Surprising your friends Curve was having issues. verizon’s “it’s the network” is FUD for sheep who believe anything verizon tells them hook, line and sinker.

  • hellno

    Thanks for the recap bluehorseshoe, we all know the TRUTH about verizon hurts you too.

    bluehorseshoe
    #19. January 22nd, 2008, at 6:43 PM.
    With that said, I pledge that I will no longer respond to the posts of one poster that we all know, share and love. Even if that poster responds or comments on one of my posts, I will refrain

    NIce try, it’s good watching your “pledge” fail as most of your posts, but they do get you the attention you crave. It’s really too bad you still don’t get the TRUTH and REALITY about verizon, why anyone thinks paying a service providing company which cripples and removes features and functions, is a good idea… Especially in the NYC area where all providers are equal. To say nothing about the negative verizon’s actions are for RIM and it’s cdma customers. All reasons why RIM BB’s for cdma are year plus late when they show up, IF they show up at all.

    PS you ARE right when the topic is poor performance it has to have something with the Knicks

  • bluehorseshoe

    I think the majority has spoken. Look at the thread and I think you’ll get the idea. At least most people would. May not be the case here…

  • hellno

    Looking at the thread shows a small few who are ignorant or lying about verizon. Some are too lazy to learn the REAL TRUTH about verizon, others are just ignorant, and some know the TRUTH yet try try to defend verizon for their anti-consumer ways. Again there is nothing which makes crippling and removing functions and features pro-consumer, there is nothing which makes verizon’s actions ok.

    Also looking at this thread shows a bunch of RIM BB customers which are getting screwed because of a lousy choice of service provider. There are many reasons why cdma providers don’t get BB’s for a year plus after GSM providers do.

    Stop pining, unlucky customers of sprint and verizon NO RIM BB Curve for you, at least not yet. You only can blame yourselves and your choice of service providers.

    Willful ignorance. Learn the TRUTH.

  • Greg B

    Oh my God…

  • hellno

    Yes Greg, your FUD’ing and worse defending and paying a service providing company which is crippling and removing functions and features from your RIM BB, lying about their anti-consumer actions and worse verizon has been proven as a union-busting corporation.

    Way to go. Welcome to REALITY. :)

  • fud

    Any new updates on pending release?

  • Keats

    Haha, hellno is probably some fat loser who has no life and nothing else better to do then to post his diary of his feelings on the world of wireless. Get a life, no one cares what you think, the only thing people care about reading this bloody page is when the hell Verizon is coming out with the BB Curve. go blog on a page titled “I like to complain about crap, does anyone else care?”

  • Ben

    I believe that hellno is Robb Dunewood’s secretl alter ego ;-)

    After thinking about it – I may stick w/the 8130 – I think the Curve may be too big… I’ll have to handle my friend’s curve a little more and see.

  • bluehorseshoe

    @ Ben

    That’s funny stuff. BTW…did you read the last line you wrote out? Take a look at it again. I hope your friend has a nice ‘curve’ for you to handle. :)

  • bluehorseshoe

    @ Ben

    Forgot to add this, but same thought here. I think I prefer the Pearl myself…like the size and it’s relatively easy to type on, at least for me. Would be nice to have an option though if the Curve comes out on VZW. I can’t see RIM not doing it…way too much $$$ being left on the table if they didn’t.

  • Ben

    Oh it’s a fine Curve alright. Ripe and ready for “handling.”

    See I do txting whilst driving (dangerous I know) and with a real full QWERTY

  • Ben

    …accidentally hit send comment

    …with a real full QWERTY keyboard – that would be hard to do one handed.

  • Curve Lover

    hellno, who do you like, Obama or Hillary?

    Sorry everyone, but I had to! But really, when is our beloved Curve going to come out on VZW? I went to the mall twice this weekend and checked out T-Mobile’s…it’s so awesome and small with such nice keys!!!

  • http://www.affiliatemarketing-mlc.blogspot.com Marcus

    We can hope some of the rumors are true and VZW will debut the Curve before the WES in May.

    GO VZW…GO RIMM CURVE!

    Marcus

    If I see hellno post his favorite acronynm…FUD one more time I think I will throw up!

  • http://blog.samuelfebres.com portorikan

    @BB #29

    I will admit Sprint’s customer service is hit or miss (mostly missing) but once you’re set up, you have nothing more to worry about (well, except whenever changes need to be made to your account, again, Customer service. You shouldn’t have to do this often really).

    I find their service to be top notch. All over Florida I have no problems, in NYC, no problems, in SA, Tx, no problems, and in Atlanta no problems and all places in between.

    My sister moved from VZW to Sprint and loves it with no problems. I don’t view popularity as important with my provider. VZW and AT&T/Cingular as far as I can remember were doing tons of more ads than I remember Sprint doing (they’ve been ramping it up recently) so maybe being late to the game their cost them some customers (and again the customer service hasn’t always been the greatest).

    Regarding the iphone, I wouldn’t get one yet… I think I could deal with the screen keyboard, but it’s got some things missing that I just would miss too much from my Blackberry… I would love an ipod touch though.

    :)

  • bluehorseshoe

    @ portorikan

    I agree with you on the Customer Service, although I do have to say they are a bit more in your face than the other providers out there. My business partner went into a sprint store to get her phone checked out and they said it was fine. After going back and forth, the CSR got a bit testy and started a tone. She was trying to explain, yet the CSR didn’t seem interested. IMO, TMO is the best out there. VZW is decent too.

    As for Sprint service, I’ve used it in NY, NJ, and yes…SA, TX (I have a place in both TX and NJ). Can’t say that I agree with you on SA, TX. The majority of people I know in SA, TX have switched over to either VZW or AT&T (seemed everyone used Sprint down in SA). It was decent out in the remote areas where the others weren’t as strong, but it seems that has all changed. As for NJ, it was decent, but there were quite a few spots where I’d lose out in Northern NJ (and my VZW and TMO had reception). NY I never had a problem with it.

    And you’re right, popularity shouldn’t be an issue if your service is good. I loved TMO (I never had a CSR issue in the 5+ years with them) but had to move over to VZW for better reception and data services (tethering is important in my line of work).

    PS – Do you think Sprint is going to replace Peyton with Eli if he wins the Bowl? :)

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  • Phil

    Since when is shopping at Wal-mart ignorance? Paying less for the same quality products at the cost of bad treatment of employees you will never meet.

  • Phil

    and hellno is an ignorant fool. Verizon is much better than AT&T.

  • jeff stager

    Before everyone gets excited about the curve coming to Verizon…….remember, this is verizon, the company loosing subs……they WILL NOT allow Wi-Fi by not providing UMA/GAN support…….they WILL NOT enable GPS that is built into the phone that works with Blackberry maps and provides turn by turn directions………Will it also be able to work outside the USA……….Doubt it?

  • TJ

    Jeff Stager
    I understand that VZW has a history of not allowing any proprietary hardware to be used with 3rd party apps but by mid year we’re going to see influx of phones that will have Wi-Fi and GPS on their network. The best network is going “Open Source” and will be better in terms of cell phone options. I’m just happy that they’re FINALLY releasing a thinner camera enable, qwerty keyboard BB. It’s about FREAK’IN time.

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  • Ben

    @Jeff:
    The last time I used Verizon’s GPS service on my vx9800 the turn-by-turn directions worked phenomenally. Yes I know it sucks Verizon customers have to pay for the GPS functionality when it’s free elsewhere, but it’s a great application.

    I agree with you TJ – they will eventually have to “open up” to WiFi…. even though they will probably charge you an arm and a leg to do so…

    I’m getting my Pearl in a month and wait for the Cuve…. when/if it comes out I’ll get it and sell the Pearl.

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