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	<title>Comments on: What Does Verizon Have Against GPS In BlackBerrys?</title>
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		<title>By: Sherry</title>
		<link>http://www.rimarkable.com/what-does-verizon-have-against-gps-in-blackberrys#comment-118072</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG!  I used the email addy that someone posted above (Stephen.Schwed )  and i put my cell # at the bottom to prove i am a Verizon customer.... here's my email:

Mr. Schwed:
I am a loyal Verizon customer who is very aggravated that the BBNav software that COMES in YOUR cell phones is disabled.  I refuse to pay for Navigation that Verizon provides, when BBNAV came with my phone and is part of the reason why I chose this Blackberry.  Why does Verizon block the internal GPS in the Blackberry?  It's not because Verizon doesn't support 3rd party programs, because BBNAV comes with the phones Verizon Wireless sells.  It's not removed, or hidden as a matter of fact.
 
Although Verizon may provide a good network, I'm getting more and more frustrated with the little nuances of poor customer service that I'm receiving from Verizon, and am considering moving my loyalty elsewhere.  Unless, of course, you can say there's a plan to unlock the internal GPS in Blackberry's and you can tell me how to go about getting that done.
 
I look forward to your reply.


Well his secretary CALLED me just now!  I sent the email an hour ago!  She said the same thing you guys posted... that 3rd party GPS software doesnt ask you first if you want to be located... whereas VZW does.  so then she said "you specifically mentioned BB NAV... we are working with them to ask you first if you want to be located... once that implementation is in place, we can open the GPS for BBNAV only.  I dont know when that will happen"

So i said "Here's my issue more than the GPS being blocked.... BB users with Verizon are forced to either pay 10 bucks a month for the service, or have no GPS service.  When i had my Voyager, i could pay 2.99 per use if i wanted.  That's not an option for us as Verizon has to activate VZ Nav from the office.... I cant enable it from my phone.  So with that said, here's a customer suggestion.... Blackberry users should either get the service for next to nothing, or free since you blocked the BB version of it.  I understand why, as you claim, that Verizon blocked it, but then give us some sort of break by having to use yours."

She put the suggestion in.... we'll see what happens.  I was shocked they actually CALLED me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG!  I used the email addy that someone posted above (Stephen.Schwed )  and i put my cell # at the bottom to prove i am a Verizon customer&#8230;. here&#8217;s my email:</p>
<p>Mr. Schwed:<br />
I am a loyal Verizon customer who is very aggravated that the BBNav software that COMES in YOUR cell phones is disabled.  I refuse to pay for Navigation that Verizon provides, when BBNAV came with my phone and is part of the reason why I chose this Blackberry.  Why does Verizon block the internal GPS in the Blackberry?  It&#8217;s not because Verizon doesn&#8217;t support 3rd party programs, because BBNAV comes with the phones Verizon Wireless sells.  It&#8217;s not removed, or hidden as a matter of fact.</p>
<p>Although Verizon may provide a good network, I&#8217;m getting more and more frustrated with the little nuances of poor customer service that I&#8217;m receiving from Verizon, and am considering moving my loyalty elsewhere.  Unless, of course, you can say there&#8217;s a plan to unlock the internal GPS in Blackberry&#8217;s and you can tell me how to go about getting that done.</p>
<p>I look forward to your reply.</p>
<p>Well his secretary CALLED me just now!  I sent the email an hour ago!  She said the same thing you guys posted&#8230; that 3rd party GPS software doesnt ask you first if you want to be located&#8230; whereas VZW does.  so then she said &#8220;you specifically mentioned BB NAV&#8230; we are working with them to ask you first if you want to be located&#8230; once that implementation is in place, we can open the GPS for BBNAV only.  I dont know when that will happen&#8221;</p>
<p>So i said &#8220;Here&#8217;s my issue more than the GPS being blocked&#8230;. BB users with Verizon are forced to either pay 10 bucks a month for the service, or have no GPS service.  When i had my Voyager, i could pay 2.99 per use if i wanted.  That&#8217;s not an option for us as Verizon has to activate VZ Nav from the office&#8230;. I cant enable it from my phone.  So with that said, here&#8217;s a customer suggestion&#8230;. Blackberry users should either get the service for next to nothing, or free since you blocked the BB version of it.  I understand why, as you claim, that Verizon blocked it, but then give us some sort of break by having to use yours.&#8221;</p>
<p>She put the suggestion in&#8230;. we&#8217;ll see what happens.  I was shocked they actually CALLED me!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.rimarkable.com/what-does-verizon-have-against-gps-in-blackberrys#comment-117991</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears based off the new Samsung Omnia I910 and the new touch screen Blackberry for Verizon, it will allow full, unrestricted GPS. 

But the downside (and there always is with Verizon!!) you need to purchase a data plan. 

Note: I tried to post the image link, and the site won't let me? here's what is says:

Only new PDAs/Smartphones devices launched on/after November 14, 2008 will require data feature / plan of $29.99 or more.

Pay as you go, 1x block and 10mb data plan / feature not available for new PDAs/Smartphones devices launched on/after November 14, 2008.

A system edit will prevent new PDA's/Smartphones from having Pay As you go, 1x block or 10MB data / feature

In 2009, select Mobile Web 2.0 devices will also require a data feature/plan.

The following will be included in the new magalog: Devices with HTML web browsing capability (including Blackberry, Windows mobile, Palm, and select Mobile Web 2.0 devices) require a subscription to either a voice plan or a feature that includes an allowance for sending or receving data, or a data plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears based off the new Samsung Omnia I910 and the new touch screen Blackberry for Verizon, it will allow full, unrestricted GPS. </p>
<p>But the downside (and there always is with Verizon!!) you need to purchase a data plan. </p>
<p>Note: I tried to post the image link, and the site won&#8217;t let me? here&#8217;s what is says:</p>
<p>Only new PDAs/Smartphones devices launched on/after November 14, 2008 will require data feature / plan of $29.99 or more.</p>
<p>Pay as you go, 1x block and 10mb data plan / feature not available for new PDAs/Smartphones devices launched on/after November 14, 2008.</p>
<p>A system edit will prevent new PDA&#8217;s/Smartphones from having Pay As you go, 1x block or 10MB data / feature</p>
<p>In 2009, select Mobile Web 2.0 devices will also require a data feature/plan.</p>
<p>The following will be included in the new magalog: Devices with HTML web browsing capability (including Blackberry, Windows mobile, Palm, and select Mobile Web 2.0 devices) require a subscription to either a voice plan or a feature that includes an allowance for sending or receving data, or a data plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Rollinolin</title>
		<link>http://www.rimarkable.com/what-does-verizon-have-against-gps-in-blackberrys#comment-117989</link>
		<dc:creator>Rollinolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Verizon gets the 8830 cheaper from BB with the 
GPS REMOVED...
But yet they roll in the $$ by charging us the same for less of a phone.
I asked Verizon reps about this and they all say it has GPS.  
I only realized it dint have it until i started looking up aps for my new phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Verizon gets the 8830 cheaper from BB with the<br />
GPS REMOVED&#8230;<br />
But yet they roll in the $$ by charging us the same for less of a phone.<br />
I asked Verizon reps about this and they all say it has GPS.<br />
I only realized it dint have it until i started looking up aps for my new phone.</p>
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		<title>By: slowdiver</title>
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		<dc:creator>slowdiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.  GPS is only available to VZNav even when you pay to "unlock" it.  No "3rd party" (whatever) apps at all, not even BBMaps (3rd party?!?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  GPS is only available to VZNav even when you pay to &#8220;unlock&#8221; it.  No &#8220;3rd party&#8221; (whatever) apps at all, not even BBMaps (3rd party?!?).</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney</title>
		<link>http://www.rimarkable.com/what-does-verizon-have-against-gps-in-blackberrys#comment-117525</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you have VZNavagator is the GPS enabled for all the other third party software then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you have VZNavagator is the GPS enabled for all the other third party software then?</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
		<link>http://www.rimarkable.com/what-does-verizon-have-against-gps-in-blackberrys#comment-116989</link>
		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say you all are have covered everything.  I am also a Verizon customer very pissed that I have to purchase another gadget to get involved with Geocache.   Come on we paid for these phones so why can't we pay someone else for there GPS capability.   I also hate Navigator, lag time &#38; most locations even a locat theatre not listed.  Yes, I did my share of updates.   Sorry for all of us who got suckered into false advertisement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say you all are have covered everything.  I am also a Verizon customer very pissed that I have to purchase another gadget to get involved with Geocache.   Come on we paid for these phones so why can&#8217;t we pay someone else for there GPS capability.   I also hate Navigator, lag time &amp; most locations even a locat theatre not listed.  Yes, I did my share of updates.   Sorry for all of us who got suckered into false advertisement.</p>
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		<title>By: Tbone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of what has been said here.  I recently had purchased the new iPhone and the GPS was the coolest feature it had, for me.  Unfortunately, AT&#38;T is not even comparable to Verizon in New England.  My 25 minute trip in to the office I dropped the same caller 4 times with AT&#38;T, which was repeatable, but only 1 time with Verizon.  It pains me so but first and foremost I need to be able to stay on a call with business customer etc.  I would be happy to pay more to have true GPS functionality and it is certainly Verizon's right disable it and require more money to enable it but to offer a replacement program that is virtually unusable is incredibly painful.  Still, I have no other options.  What I don't completely understand is that I believe Sprint is also CDMA so shouldn't it have roughly the same signal as Verizon?  Yet, Verizon in my area has far fewer dropped calls.  So, I am holding out for the BB Storm and am hoping by some miracle that Verizon decides to unlock the GPS.  I know, I am only setting myself up for disappointment.  Bottom line Verizon wins.  They have the best service by far in my area and that trumps everything else especially when using it as a business phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of what has been said here.  I recently had purchased the new iPhone and the GPS was the coolest feature it had, for me.  Unfortunately, AT&amp;T is not even comparable to Verizon in New England.  My 25 minute trip in to the office I dropped the same caller 4 times with AT&amp;T, which was repeatable, but only 1 time with Verizon.  It pains me so but first and foremost I need to be able to stay on a call with business customer etc.  I would be happy to pay more to have true GPS functionality and it is certainly Verizon&#8217;s right disable it and require more money to enable it but to offer a replacement program that is virtually unusable is incredibly painful.  Still, I have no other options.  What I don&#8217;t completely understand is that I believe Sprint is also CDMA so shouldn&#8217;t it have roughly the same signal as Verizon?  Yet, Verizon in my area has far fewer dropped calls.  So, I am holding out for the BB Storm and am hoping by some miracle that Verizon decides to unlock the GPS.  I know, I am only setting myself up for disappointment.  Bottom line Verizon wins.  They have the best service by far in my area and that trumps everything else especially when using it as a business phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Frak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got VZW to give me both a 3 year Navigator credit and refund the price of my 8130 over this issue. When I bought it, they said nothing in their marketing materials about being forced to use their app and only thier app. 

Btw, even with the free Navigator now.. I don't use it. Why? because it sucks. Slow, buggy, a memory hog (and leak) and a poor interface. You're better off spending that $10/mo on a tom-tom device - they work better and interact better. 

I also got that same nonsense reply at first about "we carefully test all applications to ensure your safety, blah, blah, blah and 3rd party apps can give access to intruders, etc.." I told them "umm, isn't VZ navigator a 3rd party app? the phone is made by RIMM and they include a Maps program designed for the phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got VZW to give me both a 3 year Navigator credit and refund the price of my 8130 over this issue. When I bought it, they said nothing in their marketing materials about being forced to use their app and only thier app. </p>
<p>Btw, even with the free Navigator now.. I don&#8217;t use it. Why? because it sucks. Slow, buggy, a memory hog (and leak) and a poor interface. You&#8217;re better off spending that $10/mo on a tom-tom device - they work better and interact better. </p>
<p>I also got that same nonsense reply at first about &#8220;we carefully test all applications to ensure your safety, blah, blah, blah and 3rd party apps can give access to intruders, etc..&#8221; I told them &#8220;umm, isn&#8217;t VZ navigator a 3rd party app? the phone is made by RIMM and they include a Maps program designed for the phone.</p>
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		<title>By: robb's celebrities</title>
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		<dc:creator>robb's celebrities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;robb's celebrities...&lt;/strong&gt;

I Googled for something completely different, but found your page...and have to say thanks. nice read....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>robb&#8217;s celebrities&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I Googled for something completely different, but found your page&#8230;and have to say thanks. nice read&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is news of a class action lawsuit regarding Verizon disabling the GPS even though they marketed the phone with "built-in GPS" and made no caveats regarding it's use.  No mention that extra software is required, no mention that an extra fee is required, no mention that the software that comes on the device as supplied by Verizon won't function with the "built-in GPS".  There is a class action suit filed in November 2007 in US District Court.  The BAD news though is that the first action regarding the suit isn't until January 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is news of a class action lawsuit regarding Verizon disabling the GPS even though they marketed the phone with &#8220;built-in GPS&#8221; and made no caveats regarding it&#8217;s use.  No mention that extra software is required, no mention that an extra fee is required, no mention that the software that comes on the device as supplied by Verizon won&#8217;t function with the &#8220;built-in GPS&#8221;.  There is a class action suit filed in November 2007 in US District Court.  The BAD news though is that the first action regarding the suit isn&#8217;t until January 2009.</p>
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