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		<title>By: jmk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I do think the iPhone is a serious threat to RIM.  However, it looks like RIM is waking up and not sitting on their laurels.  In the past, RIM has been very slow to market, very slow to adopt new features, and too complacent.  I think Apple has knocked some of the rust off that corporation and, assuming RIM tries to compete, there is more than enough room for RIM, Apple, Nokia, and Google.  Sell your Moto stock though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I do think the iPhone is a serious threat to RIM.  However, it looks like RIM is waking up and not sitting on their laurels.  In the past, RIM has been very slow to market, very slow to adopt new features, and too complacent.  I think Apple has knocked some of the rust off that corporation and, assuming RIM tries to compete, there is more than enough room for RIM, Apple, Nokia, and Google.  Sell your Moto stock though!</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Dunewood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robb Dunewood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bluehorseshoe, 

You bring up a good point about the &lt;a href="http://celebrityblackberrysightings.com" title="Celebrity BlackBerry Sightings" rel="nofollow"&gt;celebrities that use BlackBerrys&lt;/a&gt;.  Cost really isn't an issue for them so why don't we see more of them using iPhones?

You can find pictures of &lt;a href="http://celebrityblackberrysightings.com" title="Celebrity BlackBerry Sightings " rel="nofollow"&gt;famous people using BlackBerrys&lt;/a&gt; a dime a dozen, but, trust me when I tell you that pictures of famous iPhone users are hard to come by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bluehorseshoe, </p>
<p>You bring up a good point about the <a href="http://celebrityblackberrysightings.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/celebrityblackberrysightings.com');" title="Celebrity BlackBerry Sightings" rel="nofollow">celebrities that use BlackBerrys</a>.  Cost really isn&#8217;t an issue for them so why don&#8217;t we see more of them using iPhones?</p>
<p>You can find pictures of <a href="http://celebrityblackberrysightings.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/celebrityblackberrysightings.com');" title="Celebrity BlackBerry Sightings " rel="nofollow">famous people using BlackBerrys</a> a dime a dozen, but, trust me when I tell you that pictures of famous iPhone users are hard to come by.</p>
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		<title>By: crazylegs</title>
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		<dc:creator>crazylegs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sums it all up folks...

SMARTMONEY.COM: Techsmart: New iPhone Won't Derail BlackBerry (DJ)

   By Dan Burrows 
   Of SMARTMONEY.COM 
 
  (This article was originally published Tuesday) 
 
  THE SECOND COMING of the iPhone didn't disappoint. As expected, Apple's (AAPL) latest and 
greatest gadget sports a 3G connection for faster web browsing, GPS and is slightly thinner at 
the edges, among other goodies. 
  Also as expected, the iPhone 3G has enterprise support, meaning corporate users can employ 
Microsoft's (MSFT) Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync to get push email, calendar and contacts. It 
also has secure access to corporate networks thanks to software from Cisco Systems (CSCO) and 
IT departments can remotely wipe it clean should it go missing in the wild. 
  At first glance all those features might sound uncomfortably close to what Research in 
Motion's (RIMM) BlackBerrys do. Perhaps of more concern is that Steve Jobs &#38; Co. slashed the 
price on the iPhone 3G. Consumers and corporate users can now pick one up for as little as 
$200. 
  That's BlackBerry territory, too. 
  We have little doubt that Apple will succeed in making the iPhone a mass-market gadget that 
also picks up some corporate users, but RIM needn't fret. The company still has plenty of 
critical advantages in the enterprise business and is playing smart defense with sexy phones 
that should continue to grab consumers and retain loyal fanboys. 
  Most important, the smartphone market's growing so rapidly that there's plenty of pie for 
both of them. 
  As buzz-worthy as the iPhone 3G is, it's no BlackBerry, and it doesn't try to be. It's 
probably best in class in a number of areas, including its operating system, media capabilities 
and touchscreen technology. 
  Still, the phenomenal success of RIM's BlackBerry Pearl and Curve models show that plenty of 
consumers and business users still want a real keyboard. And when it comes to push email 
BlackBerry Enterprise Server is still superior to Microsoft Exchange. (During Monday's 
presentation even Apple executive Philip Schiller referred to Microsoft's ActiveSync as 
"ActiveStink.") And let's not forget how entrenched RIM is in the enterprise world. 
  Meanwhile, it's not as if RIM has been standing still waiting for Apple to steal its base. 
The BlackBerry Bold, supposedly launching next month, isn't just an iPhonish handset with a 
"qwerty" keyboard. It should be a 3G beast with a high-resolution display, GPS, WiFi and lots 
of other cool features. 
  Then there's the BlackBerry Thunder, a touchscreen copycat of the iPhone rumored to be 
available sometime in the third quarter. A touchscreen on a BlackBerry is a gamble but it seems 
one well worth taking. 
  So although Apple's likely to poach some civilian CrackBerry addicts and make some inroads 
into enterprise, RIM is well positioned and the market's got plenty of room for this 
competition. 
  Worldwide smartphone sales grew nearly 30% in the seasonally slow first quarter to more than 
32 million units, according to market researcher Gartner. In North America, sales more than 
doubled. RIM itself more than doubled its unit sales and grew its market share to 13% from 8% a 
year ago. The iPhone came from nowhere to claim 5% of the global market in the first quarter. 
  Not only is RIM more than holding its own, it turns out that this rivalry is not a zero-sum 
game between BlackBerry and iPhone. Indeed, they're both taking share from everyone else, 
especially Nokia (NOK). Indeed, American Technology Research analyst Mark McKechnie downgraded 
shares of Nokia to neutral from buy Monday over concern that the RIM and Apple onslaught of 3G 
handsets could get ugly for the world's biggest cellphone maker. 
  We'll take it as pretty much a foregone conclusion that the faster, cheaper iPhone 3G will be 
a huge success, but we doubt it will make RIM a punchline. If anything, the joke will be on 
Nokia. 
  -For more information and analysis of companies and mutual funds, visit SmartMoney.com at 
http://www.smartmoney.com‚/ 
 
  (END) Dow Jones Newswires
  06-11-08 0737ET
  Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones &#38; Company, Inc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sums it all up folks&#8230;</p>
<p>SMARTMONEY.COM: Techsmart: New iPhone Won&#8217;t Derail BlackBerry (DJ)</p>
<p>   By Dan Burrows<br />
   Of SMARTMONEY.COM </p>
<p>  (This article was originally published Tuesday) </p>
<p>  THE SECOND COMING of the iPhone didn&#8217;t disappoint. As expected, Apple&#8217;s (AAPL) latest and<br />
greatest gadget sports a 3G connection for faster web browsing, GPS and is slightly thinner at<br />
the edges, among other goodies.<br />
  Also as expected, the iPhone 3G has enterprise support, meaning corporate users can employ<br />
Microsoft&#8217;s (MSFT) Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync to get push email, calendar and contacts. It<br />
also has secure access to corporate networks thanks to software from Cisco Systems (CSCO) and<br />
IT departments can remotely wipe it clean should it go missing in the wild.<br />
  At first glance all those features might sound uncomfortably close to what Research in<br />
Motion&#8217;s (RIMM) BlackBerrys do. Perhaps of more concern is that Steve Jobs &amp; Co. slashed the<br />
price on the iPhone 3G. Consumers and corporate users can now pick one up for as little as<br />
$200.<br />
  That&#8217;s BlackBerry territory, too.<br />
  We have little doubt that Apple will succeed in making the iPhone a mass-market gadget that<br />
also picks up some corporate users, but RIM needn&#8217;t fret. The company still has plenty of<br />
critical advantages in the enterprise business and is playing smart defense with sexy phones<br />
that should continue to grab consumers and retain loyal fanboys.<br />
  Most important, the smartphone market&#8217;s growing so rapidly that there&#8217;s plenty of pie for<br />
both of them.<br />
  As buzz-worthy as the iPhone 3G is, it&#8217;s no BlackBerry, and it doesn&#8217;t try to be. It&#8217;s<br />
probably best in class in a number of areas, including its operating system, media capabilities<br />
and touchscreen technology.<br />
  Still, the phenomenal success of RIM&#8217;s BlackBerry Pearl and Curve models show that plenty of<br />
consumers and business users still want a real keyboard. And when it comes to push email<br />
BlackBerry Enterprise Server is still superior to Microsoft Exchange. (During Monday&#8217;s<br />
presentation even Apple executive Philip Schiller referred to Microsoft&#8217;s ActiveSync as<br />
&#8220;ActiveStink.&#8221;) And let&#8217;s not forget how entrenched RIM is in the enterprise world.<br />
  Meanwhile, it&#8217;s not as if RIM has been standing still waiting for Apple to steal its base.<br />
The BlackBerry Bold, supposedly launching next month, isn&#8217;t just an iPhonish handset with a<br />
&#8220;qwerty&#8221; keyboard. It should be a 3G beast with a high-resolution display, GPS, WiFi and lots<br />
of other cool features.<br />
  Then there&#8217;s the BlackBerry Thunder, a touchscreen copycat of the iPhone rumored to be<br />
available sometime in the third quarter. A touchscreen on a BlackBerry is a gamble but it seems<br />
one well worth taking.<br />
  So although Apple&#8217;s likely to poach some civilian CrackBerry addicts and make some inroads<br />
into enterprise, RIM is well positioned and the market&#8217;s got plenty of room for this<br />
competition.<br />
  Worldwide smartphone sales grew nearly 30% in the seasonally slow first quarter to more than<br />
32 million units, according to market researcher Gartner. In North America, sales more than<br />
doubled. RIM itself more than doubled its unit sales and grew its market share to 13% from 8% a<br />
year ago. The iPhone came from nowhere to claim 5% of the global market in the first quarter.<br />
  Not only is RIM more than holding its own, it turns out that this rivalry is not a zero-sum<br />
game between BlackBerry and iPhone. Indeed, they&#8217;re both taking share from everyone else,<br />
especially Nokia (NOK). Indeed, American Technology Research analyst Mark McKechnie downgraded<br />
shares of Nokia to neutral from buy Monday over concern that the RIM and Apple onslaught of 3G<br />
handsets could get ugly for the world&#8217;s biggest cellphone maker.<br />
  We&#8217;ll take it as pretty much a foregone conclusion that the faster, cheaper iPhone 3G will be<br />
a huge success, but we doubt it will make RIM a punchline. If anything, the joke will be on<br />
Nokia.<br />
  -For more information and analysis of companies and mutual funds, visit SmartMoney.com at<br />
http://www.smartmoney.com‚/ </p>
<p>  (END) Dow Jones Newswires<br />
  06-11-08 0737ET<br />
  Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argonnj,

Please refer to the WSJ Marketplace front page article yesterday regarding ATT's profit regarding the new price. If you are more knowledgeable about ATT and its profits than their CEO, I'd be pretty shocked. 

Did you miss the whole point of my article stating the purpose of the price IS to get people on ATT. That whole purpose would revolve around the monthly rates charged for an iphone plan. If you could have a phone with no future monthly charges, a company wouldn't go out of its way for new customers which give no future profits but take up bandwidth. 

And the whole buying a phone and not activating it with no ETF is luck for some people. Many people have been charged the ETF for doing that. The contract (which you sign upon purchase of the phone) was you paid full retail but HAVE to get an ATT plan for 2 years. That has been discussed many times before, so that knocks out that argument. 

Then again you could say "go ahead do that, just never plug your iphone in again cause your phone will get wiped upon updating." So now you have an outdated iphone, what's that truly worth to anyone outside of Tmo (which is a small percentage of cell phone users)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argonnj,</p>
<p>Please refer to the WSJ Marketplace front page article yesterday regarding ATT&#8217;s profit regarding the new price. If you are more knowledgeable about ATT and its profits than their CEO, I&#8217;d be pretty shocked. </p>
<p>Did you miss the whole point of my article stating the purpose of the price IS to get people on ATT. That whole purpose would revolve around the monthly rates charged for an iphone plan. If you could have a phone with no future monthly charges, a company wouldn&#8217;t go out of its way for new customers which give no future profits but take up bandwidth. </p>
<p>And the whole buying a phone and not activating it with no ETF is luck for some people. Many people have been charged the ETF for doing that. The contract (which you sign upon purchase of the phone) was you paid full retail but HAVE to get an ATT plan for 2 years. That has been discussed many times before, so that knocks out that argument. </p>
<p>Then again you could say &#8220;go ahead do that, just never plug your iphone in again cause your phone will get wiped upon updating.&#8221; So now you have an outdated iphone, what&#8217;s that truly worth to anyone outside of Tmo (which is a small percentage of cell phone users)?</p>
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		<title>By: argonnj</title>
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		<dc:creator>argonnj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;And how come Paris Hilton, the Kardashian sisters, Lohan, etc. all use BB’s? Why not iPhones? Space heads they may be, but BB’s is what we see. There’s your consumer base.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The mention of those people gives your post absolutely no credibility what so ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>And how come Paris Hilton, the Kardashian sisters, Lohan, etc. all use BB’s? Why not iPhones? Space heads they may be, but BB’s is what we see. There’s your consumer base.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The mention of those people gives your post absolutely no credibility what so ever.</p>
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		<title>By: argonnj</title>
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		<dc:creator>argonnj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the key everyone here is missing is the new iphone price is subsidized. ATT will be losing money on every iphone sold.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not really.  Before, you could buy the iphone and not activate with AT&#38;T in which case AT&#38;'T got nothing. With the new 3G, there are no more on line sales with Apple, all iphones get activated before you leave the store, so at the very least AT&#38;T gets you for 2 years or gets the ETF.  Plus they are getting another $10 a month for the data, $15 if you want text messaging.  So who's losing out?  Not AT&#38;T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think the key everyone here is missing is the new iphone price is subsidized. ATT will be losing money on every iphone sold.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not really.  Before, you could buy the iphone and not activate with AT&amp;T in which case AT&amp;&#8217;T got nothing. With the new 3G, there are no more on line sales with Apple, all iphones get activated before you leave the store, so at the very least AT&amp;T gets you for 2 years or gets the ETF.  Plus they are getting another $10 a month for the data, $15 if you want text messaging.  So who&#8217;s losing out?  Not AT&amp;T.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key everyone here is missing is the new iphone price is subsidized. ATT will be losing money on every iphone sold. It could work out (see sony with the ps3 recently), OR there could be very little gains in new customers and ATT is no better off a year from now as today. The whole thought process is to attract new users so that ATT can receive their service revenue in incalcuable amount of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key everyone here is missing is the new iphone price is subsidized. ATT will be losing money on every iphone sold. It could work out (see sony with the ps3 recently), OR there could be very little gains in new customers and ATT is no better off a year from now as today. The whole thought process is to attract new users so that ATT can receive their service revenue in incalcuable amount of years.</p>
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		<title>By: argonnj</title>
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		<dc:creator>argonnj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any platform is headed for history, its Win Mobile.  With Exchange support on the iphone, there is really no reason to put up with all the quirks and bugs in Win Mobile.  I think RIM will be around a little longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any platform is headed for history, its Win Mobile.  With Exchange support on the iphone, there is really no reason to put up with all the quirks and bugs in Win Mobile.  I think RIM will be around a little longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnnyhef: I don't think too many of the 1st gen iPhone buyers are going to be so mad at Apple for the new phone at the new price that they bolt to BB.

If anything, most of those early adopters will just buy the new model of iPhone.  

Early adopters are used to this phenomenon, and those who bought one generation of the iPod don't switch when a newer, often less expensive version comes out.

bluehorseshoe makes a good point about celebrities and their BB's. Obviously they love them for their email and messaging capabilities, which does say something about how important the core strength of the BB is to their sales.  However, I also bet that these celebs also have an iPhone...when you are their wealth level, you probably have multiple phones and pretty much buy on whatever whim you want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnnyhef: I don&#8217;t think too many of the 1st gen iPhone buyers are going to be so mad at Apple for the new phone at the new price that they bolt to BB.</p>
<p>If anything, most of those early adopters will just buy the new model of iPhone.  </p>
<p>Early adopters are used to this phenomenon, and those who bought one generation of the iPod don&#8217;t switch when a newer, often less expensive version comes out.</p>
<p>bluehorseshoe makes a good point about celebrities and their BB&#8217;s. Obviously they love them for their email and messaging capabilities, which does say something about how important the core strength of the BB is to their sales.  However, I also bet that these celebs also have an iPhone&#8230;when you are their wealth level, you probably have multiple phones and pretty much buy on whatever whim you want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Wayne, The 9000 series is coming out with a better browser for the Blackberry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Wayne, The 9000 series is coming out with a better browser for the Blackberry.</p>
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