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		<title>By: hellno</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I value the opinions guys, my ideas came about because of RIM&#039;s work on Blackberry&#039;s virtualization software, which IMO is along the lines of the risk you all bring up.  It&#039;s tough to imagine that the iPhone only being announced about a year ago and on sale for 6 months is more of a threat to RIM than other manufacture&#039;s devices like WinMo, Palm, or Symbian but after thinking about it Apple does/did very well with the iPhone, and no other manufacture has been able to come close much less catch up in a years time.  Currently (my opinion) my Pearls really show their age when compared with my iPhones.  It may come down to RIM going with the iPhone to out maneuver M$&#039;s exchange servers strategy.  Since we all know RIM can out maneuver M$.  When it comes to consumer demands, competition, and income from millions of potential more BES and BIS customers RIM might not have a choice when it comes to device sales or making money monthly through the backend RIM BB server support.
http://telecommstrategy.blogspot.com/2007/05/blackberry-virtualization.html 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I value the opinions guys, my ideas came about because of RIM&#8217;s work on Blackberry&#8217;s virtualization software, which IMO is along the lines of the risk you all bring up.  It&#8217;s tough to imagine that the iPhone only being announced about a year ago and on sale for 6 months is more of a threat to RIM than other manufacture&#8217;s devices like WinMo, Palm, or Symbian but after thinking about it Apple does/did very well with the iPhone, and no other manufacture has been able to come close much less catch up in a years time.  Currently (my opinion) my Pearls really show their age when compared with my iPhones.  It may come down to RIM going with the iPhone to out maneuver M$&#8217;s exchange servers strategy.  Since we all know RIM can out maneuver M$.  When it comes to consumer demands, competition, and income from millions of potential more BES and BIS customers RIM might not have a choice when it comes to device sales or making money monthly through the backend RIM BB server support.<br />
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		<title>By: Robb Dunewood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robb Dunewood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Thought on this one.  I am not saying that RIM won&#039;t ever offer BlackBerry Connect for the iPhone, however, I can&#039;t see it happening until the &quot;device&quot; is truly considered a commodity and I just don&#039;t see that happening very soon. 

There are a lot of BlackBerry users that would move to an iPhone in a heartbeat if they could use it as to do the same work as their BlackBerry. 

That loss in RIM&#039;s hardware revenue would far outweigh their gain from iPhone BlackBerry Connect sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Thought on this one.  I am not saying that RIM won&#8217;t ever offer BlackBerry Connect for the iPhone, however, I can&#8217;t see it happening until the &#8220;device&#8221; is truly considered a commodity and I just don&#8217;t see that happening very soon. </p>
<p>There are a lot of BlackBerry users that would move to an iPhone in a heartbeat if they could use it as to do the same work as their BlackBerry. </p>
<p>That loss in RIM&#8217;s hardware revenue would far outweigh their gain from iPhone BlackBerry Connect sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hellno: actually, I&#039;ve read that RIM makes by far the majority of its profits (somewhere like 75%) from hardware rather than software.  It is true that RIM licenses its BB connect software for these other platforms, but I think that is just because these other platforms are no real competition to the BB and it gives them a little bit of extra business.

With the iPhone the dynamic changes because it is such a far greater competitor than Palm, Windows Mobile devices, etc.  Sure RIM can scoop up a lot of software licenses for the iPhone if they want, but they do risk losing sales of their full hardware/software solution...in other words, their beloved BB devices.   How many people will buy both an iPhone and a BB just to get the BB service, but would go with only an iPhone if it had the BB service on it as well?  I guess that&#039;s the real question...if the BB service were on an iPhone, how many sales of BB hardware would be lost?

That will only be answered as time goes by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hellno: actually, I&#8217;ve read that RIM makes by far the majority of its profits (somewhere like 75%) from hardware rather than software.  It is true that RIM licenses its BB connect software for these other platforms, but I think that is just because these other platforms are no real competition to the BB and it gives them a little bit of extra business.</p>
<p>With the iPhone the dynamic changes because it is such a far greater competitor than Palm, Windows Mobile devices, etc.  Sure RIM can scoop up a lot of software licenses for the iPhone if they want, but they do risk losing sales of their full hardware/software solution&#8230;in other words, their beloved BB devices.   How many people will buy both an iPhone and a BB just to get the BB service, but would go with only an iPhone if it had the BB service on it as well?  I guess that&#8217;s the real question&#8230;if the BB service were on an iPhone, how many sales of BB hardware would be lost?</p>
<p>That will only be answered as time goes by.</p>
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		<title>By: hellno</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought,  I agree with all but the idea RIM won&#039;t make blackberry connect for the iPhone.  Think RIM would be missing a huge source of income not making a way for millions of iPhone users to use BES and BIS.  IMO RIM makes great devices so that more and more people find a way to use the RIM BB service.

Knowing BlackBerry Connect software is available for devices running Palm OS®, Symbian OS™, Windows Mobile®  I think RIM deserves more credit for thinking ahead instead of turning their back on others devices.  Sometimes working with competitors is the better business choice.  Letting devices like the iPhone with millions, and quickly growing user base is a positive, and RIM is smart enough to know that.

Not saying RIM will make BB connect for the iPhone, but don&#039;t think hardware sales is enough reason to not to so.  Doesn&#039;t RIM make more $$ from monthly BES and BIS service fee&#039;s than hardware?  Also (just a thought) RIM doesn&#039;t need to try to make a iPhone copy since IMO there are many out there which prefer RIM&#039;s device design, but your totally right RIM is not going to make a better iPhone device than Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought,  I agree with all but the idea RIM won&#8217;t make blackberry connect for the iPhone.  Think RIM would be missing a huge source of income not making a way for millions of iPhone users to use BES and BIS.  IMO RIM makes great devices so that more and more people find a way to use the RIM BB service.</p>
<p>Knowing BlackBerry Connect software is available for devices running Palm OS®, Symbian OS™, Windows Mobile®  I think RIM deserves more credit for thinking ahead instead of turning their back on others devices.  Sometimes working with competitors is the better business choice.  Letting devices like the iPhone with millions, and quickly growing user base is a positive, and RIM is smart enough to know that.</p>
<p>Not saying RIM will make BB connect for the iPhone, but don&#8217;t think hardware sales is enough reason to not to so.  Doesn&#8217;t RIM make more $$ from monthly BES and BIS service fee&#8217;s than hardware?  Also (just a thought) RIM doesn&#8217;t need to try to make a iPhone copy since IMO there are many out there which prefer RIM&#8217;s device design, but your totally right RIM is not going to make a better iPhone device than Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple and RIM will not partner, because both make the majority of their profits from selling their hardware, not software. An Apple/RIM partnership would really be a version of BlackBerry Connect for the iPhone, and RIM would stand to lose out big time on that deal.  For then you really would have a massive adoption of iPhones for corporate and email use, and RIM would be in essence killing off a large portion of their hardware sales.

I do agree that Apple and RIM are the 2 vendors that seem to have caught fire in the upper end smartphone market.  It will be an interesting competition.  However, I do believe that when it comes to the full touch screen devices, no one will be able to touch Apple (no pun intended).  Unless RIM has been secretly developing their software and hardware technology in this area for the last few years, like Apple has, then they will be seen as offering another weak imitation.  Better for RIM to stick to its strength than to try to out-Apple Apple...it cannot be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple and RIM will not partner, because both make the majority of their profits from selling their hardware, not software. An Apple/RIM partnership would really be a version of BlackBerry Connect for the iPhone, and RIM would stand to lose out big time on that deal.  For then you really would have a massive adoption of iPhones for corporate and email use, and RIM would be in essence killing off a large portion of their hardware sales.</p>
<p>I do agree that Apple and RIM are the 2 vendors that seem to have caught fire in the upper end smartphone market.  It will be an interesting competition.  However, I do believe that when it comes to the full touch screen devices, no one will be able to touch Apple (no pun intended).  Unless RIM has been secretly developing their software and hardware technology in this area for the last few years, like Apple has, then they will be seen as offering another weak imitation.  Better for RIM to stick to its strength than to try to out-Apple Apple&#8230;it cannot be done.</p>
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		<title>By: bluehorseshoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluehorseshoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ hellno 

Why do you post this crap?  A simple link would do.  You are really lacking in the digits on the IQ front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ hellno </p>
<p>Why do you post this crap?  A simple link would do.  You are really lacking in the digits on the IQ front.</p>
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		<title>By: hellno</title>
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		<dc:creator>hellno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple and Research In Motion to make war - or love in 2008?
Saturday, December 22, 2007 - 10:31 AM EST

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/15866/

The war is on between Apple and Research In Motion, the maker of the Blackberry, not only in the consumer market, but also in the business market, &quot;where Apple’s making advances in fits and starts. Years ago, there were people sneaking a new gadget into the office called a PalmPilot. The same people are sneaking in their iPhones, and eventually Apple’s going to have to figure out a way to make nice with Microsoft Outlook without making the heads spin in the corporate IT department,&quot; Arik Hesseldahl reports for BusinessWeek.

Hesseldahl reports, &quot;Now take a look at the Blackberry 9000, a heavily rumored device that looks an awful lot like an iPhone... The battle is underway, and actually has been for some time. Apple and RIM are in for a real donnybrook in 2008,&quot; Hesseldahl reports.

MacDailyNews Take: The Boy Genius Report has some rumored specs and a product photo of the Blackberry 9000 here, which so far looks like YAiR (Yet Another iPhone Ripoff). 

Hesseldahl continues, &quot;Apple’s advantage is media. It has iTunes and music and video behind it, which RIM doesn’t do all that well, at least not yet. RIM’s advantage is its established relationships with corporate IT departments, and with many many carriers.&quot;

Hesseldahl writes, &quot;I for once can’t wait to see Apple’s iPhone sales numbers for its Q1 2008, because that will set the tone for the rest of the year, and if they’re high enough, could put RIM on the defensive.&quot;

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2007/12/newsflash_apple.html

Carl Howe writes for Blackfriars&#039; Marketing, &quot;If Apple actually will sell 5 million units by MacWorld AND it keeps up its aggressive deployments AND it makes no serious missteps with new products (like its 3G iPhone), the iPhone could pass the Blackberry to become the best-selling smartphone on the planet in 2008, and possibly the most rapidly adopted phone in the world. Not bad for an entry product in a market that most pundits claimed was impossible for a new manufacturer to enter.&quot;

http://www.blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/12/iphone-capturing-nearly-05-global

MacDailyNews Take: While Apple and RIM could very well be ready to fight it out, just imagine if they partnered! By combining their strengths, they could run through the mobile device market like two bulls in a china shop. Either way, Nokia, Palm, Microsoft Windows Mobile-based device makers, Motorola, and others look to be in for a world of hurt in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple and Research In Motion to make war &#8211; or love in 2008?<br />
Saturday, December 22, 2007 &#8211; 10:31 AM EST</p>
<p><a href="http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/15866/" rel="nofollow">http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/15866/</a></p>
<p>The war is on between Apple and Research In Motion, the maker of the Blackberry, not only in the consumer market, but also in the business market, &#8220;where Apple’s making advances in fits and starts. Years ago, there were people sneaking a new gadget into the office called a PalmPilot. The same people are sneaking in their iPhones, and eventually Apple’s going to have to figure out a way to make nice with Microsoft Outlook without making the heads spin in the corporate IT department,&#8221; Arik Hesseldahl reports for BusinessWeek.</p>
<p>Hesseldahl reports, &#8220;Now take a look at the Blackberry 9000, a heavily rumored device that looks an awful lot like an iPhone&#8230; The battle is underway, and actually has been for some time. Apple and RIM are in for a real donnybrook in 2008,&#8221; Hesseldahl reports.</p>
<p>MacDailyNews Take: The Boy Genius Report has some rumored specs and a product photo of the Blackberry 9000 here, which so far looks like YAiR (Yet Another iPhone Ripoff). </p>
<p>Hesseldahl continues, &#8220;Apple’s advantage is media. It has iTunes and music and video behind it, which RIM doesn’t do all that well, at least not yet. RIM’s advantage is its established relationships with corporate IT departments, and with many many carriers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hesseldahl writes, &#8220;I for once can’t wait to see Apple’s iPhone sales numbers for its Q1 2008, because that will set the tone for the rest of the year, and if they’re high enough, could put RIM on the defensive.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2007/12/newsflash_apple.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2007/12/newsflash_apple.html</a></p>
<p>Carl Howe writes for Blackfriars&#8217; Marketing, &#8220;If Apple actually will sell 5 million units by MacWorld AND it keeps up its aggressive deployments AND it makes no serious missteps with new products (like its 3G iPhone), the iPhone could pass the Blackberry to become the best-selling smartphone on the planet in 2008, and possibly the most rapidly adopted phone in the world. Not bad for an entry product in a market that most pundits claimed was impossible for a new manufacturer to enter.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/12/iphone-capturing-nearly-05-global" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/12/iphone-capturing-nearly-05-global</a></p>
<p>MacDailyNews Take: While Apple and RIM could very well be ready to fight it out, just imagine if they partnered! By combining their strengths, they could run through the mobile device market like two bulls in a china shop. Either way, Nokia, Palm, Microsoft Windows Mobile-based device makers, Motorola, and others look to be in for a world of hurt in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: foner</title>
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		<dc:creator>foner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf is this? Is this 1998 and back on efnet?  Good god... Grow up people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf is this? Is this 1998 and back on efnet?  Good god&#8230; Grow up people&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bluehorseshoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluehorseshoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ hellno 

BTW...I&#039;m not tossing insults at you, just pointing out the facts.  They are probably online with the same notes as your therapist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ hellno </p>
<p>BTW&#8230;I&#8217;m not tossing insults at you, just pointing out the facts.  They are probably online with the same notes as your therapist.</p>
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