Comments on: If you can’t ‘beat em’, sell your smart phone for less… http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less The Unofficial BlackBerry Weblog Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Robb Dunewood http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less/comment-page-1#comment-28858 Robb Dunewood Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:50:48 +0000 http://www.rimarkable.com/?p=963#comment-28858 Thought, I think that this may warrant it's own post... If this is true, it is the classic example of Palm shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to over pricing their gear. Thought,

I think that this may warrant it’s own post… If this is true, it is the classic example of Palm shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to over pricing their gear.

]]> By: Thought http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less/comment-page-1#comment-28772 Thought Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:46:12 +0000 http://www.rimarkable.com/?p=963#comment-28772 Yet one more comment on the pricing issue...if you read the Treonauts blog, you'll see that the 2yr contract price of the phone is $275, but that there will be a rebate of $100 to lower the price to $175...however, and this is the big issue...in order to get that $100 rebate you'll have to sign on to an unlimited data plan...which on Cingular runs you $44.99, as well as a voice plan of $39.99 or higher... So basically, that $175 pricepoint will only exist for those willing to pony up at least $85 per month in service charges... Looks like the pricing advantage is back with BB... Yet one more comment on the pricing issue…if you read the Treonauts blog, you’ll see that the 2yr contract price of the phone is $275, but that there will be a rebate of $100 to lower the price to $175…however, and this is the big issue…in order to get that $100 rebate you’ll have to sign on to an unlimited data plan…which on Cingular runs you $44.99, as well as a voice plan of $39.99 or higher…

So basically, that $175 pricepoint will only exist for those willing to pony up at least $85 per month in service charges…

Looks like the pricing advantage is back with BB…

]]> By: Thought http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less/comment-page-1#comment-28766 Thought Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:24:30 +0000 http://www.rimarkable.com/?p=963#comment-28766 It will also be interesting to see which product Cingular markets more agressively: the Treo or the Pearl. My guess is the Pearl. We're already seeing RIM ramp up on their own marketing efforts, and my guess is that RIM has a whole lot more cash to throw at marketing during the holiday season than Palm does. In fact, one doesn't see much marketing from Palm these days. There hasn't been that much for the Treo 700p, the last new Treo released. The only Treo to get the royal marketing treatment was the Treo 700w early this year, but that was due to the marketing dollars of might Microsoft. In short, I don't think you'll see an Palm OS Treo marketed that agressively...Palm can't afford it. It will also be interesting to see which product Cingular markets more agressively: the Treo or the Pearl.

My guess is the Pearl. We’re already seeing RIM ramp up on their own marketing efforts, and my guess is that RIM has a whole lot more cash to throw at marketing during the holiday season than Palm does.

In fact, one doesn’t see much marketing from Palm these days. There hasn’t been that much for the Treo 700p, the last new Treo released.

The only Treo to get the royal marketing treatment was the Treo 700w early this year, but that was due to the marketing dollars of might Microsoft.

In short, I don’t think you’ll see an Palm OS Treo marketed that agressively…Palm can’t afford it.

]]> By: Thought http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less/comment-page-1#comment-28764 Thought Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:20:47 +0000 http://www.rimarkable.com/?p=963#comment-28764 I agree with Juan that, in general, what slows adoption rates for all smartphones is the cost of the data plans. However, I would add that the BIS for T-Mo does cost $19.99...making it very competitive. No doubt that the Treo 680 will get some sales, but I don't think the $25 price difference will matter that much at that end of the price scale. I just don't see someone willing to pay $175 and the cost of data being that reluctant to spend $25 more and get a vastly superior product in the Pearl. And yes, the avg consumer may not know that much about all of the technical details, but all one has to do is hold a Pearl next to a Treo and the size and styling advantage will become obvious. I think the Pearl will clean up in sales, largely due to its superior size and style. Again, if I were a salesman, all I would do is put the 2 products in the hands of the customer. I agree with Juan that, in general, what slows adoption rates for all smartphones is the cost of the data plans.

However, I would add that the BIS for T-Mo does cost $19.99…making it very competitive.

No doubt that the Treo 680 will get some sales, but I don’t think the $25 price difference will matter that much at that end of the price scale. I just don’t see someone willing to pay $175 and the cost of data being that reluctant to spend $25 more and get a vastly superior product in the Pearl. And yes, the avg consumer may not know that much about all of the technical details, but all one has to do is hold a Pearl next to a Treo and the size and styling advantage will become obvious.

I think the Pearl will clean up in sales, largely due to its superior size and style. Again, if I were a salesman, all I would do is put the 2 products in the hands of the customer.

]]> By: Juan http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less/comment-page-1#comment-28687 Juan Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:53:21 +0000 http://www.rimarkable.com/?p=963#comment-28687 what stops BB from truly running the smartphone/PDA market is the data cost on BIS from companies like Cingular and verizon. A person can get the treo 680 and use the Media Max 200 or 1000 package and still get their emails from a 3rd part client such as Chatteremail which is a great software. If they buy a symbian based phone like the Nokia E62, they can use Profimail. Either/or for $19.99 vs $35.99 for BB access. For most consumers that don't get their data paid for by a company, it is a no-brainer... what stops BB from truly running the smartphone/PDA market is the data cost on BIS from companies like Cingular and verizon.
A person can get the treo 680 and use the Media Max 200 or 1000 package and still get their emails from a 3rd part client such as Chatteremail which is a great software.
If they buy a symbian based phone like the Nokia E62, they can use Profimail.
Either/or for $19.99 vs $35.99 for BB access. For most consumers that don’t get their data paid for by a company, it is a no-brainer…

]]> By: Daniel http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less/comment-page-1#comment-28686 Daniel Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:46:49 +0000 http://www.rimarkable.com/?p=963#comment-28686 wait a second ... the Treo is actually designed to be a phone, has a battery that can last more than the Blackberry by nearly 2 times (1000 mAH vs. 1800 mAH), has a full keyboard, and is definitely easier to use due to having software that people have actually SEEN before ... wait a second … the Treo is actually designed to be a phone, has a battery that can last more than the Blackberry by nearly 2 times (1000 mAH vs. 1800 mAH), has a full keyboard, and is definitely easier to use due to having software that people have actually SEEN before …

]]> By: Trish http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less/comment-page-1#comment-28679 Trish Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:08:31 +0000 http://www.rimarkable.com/?p=963#comment-28679 Do these things have Wi-Fi, or, can you put a Wi-Fi card in them? Do these things have Wi-Fi, or, can you put a Wi-Fi card in them?

]]> By: Palm Sucks http://www.rimarkable.com/if-you-cant-beat-em-sell-your-smart-phone-for-less/comment-page-1#comment-28678 Palm Sucks Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:02:55 +0000 http://www.rimarkable.com/?p=963#comment-28678 Dude, You are making a lot of assumptions. The main thing that you are forgetting is that Palm Sucks! and that the group you think will flock to the Treo 680 knows this. Dude,

You are making a lot of assumptions. The main thing that you are forgetting is that Palm Sucks! and that the group you think will flock to the Treo 680 knows this.

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