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	<title>Comments on: Example of why RIM is Suing Samsung over the name BlackJack</title>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.rimarkable.com/example-of-why-rim-is-suing-samsung-over-the-name-blackjack#comment-34584</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's also a discussion of this at the bberry forums (on the page link above), including some comments from another IP attorney. (And from some critical posters as well!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also a discussion of this at the bberry forums (on the page link above), including some comments from another IP attorney. (And from some critical posters as well!)</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Dunewood</title>
		<link>http://www.rimarkable.com/example-of-why-rim-is-suing-samsung-over-the-name-blackjack#comment-34486</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Dunewood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i remember correctly, some folks were actually saying that it would be nice if there were a way for RIM to bring a suit up.

Anyway, this thing is getting a lot more play this morning.  The &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/12/AR2006121201065.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Washington Post&lt;/a&gt; is reporting on it as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i remember correctly, some folks were actually saying that it would be nice if there were a way for RIM to bring a suit up.</p>
<p>Anyway, this thing is getting a lot more play this morning.  The <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/12/AR2006121201065.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.washingtonpost.com');" rel="nofollow">Washington Post</a> is reporting on it as well.</p>
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		<title>By: jibi@bbf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jibi@bbf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone say anything when China Unicom (the state-run mobile carrier in China) debuted their RedBerry service, modeled after the BlackBerry?  I'm sure if RIM were able to actually raise a suit in that country for copyright violation, most people would have never mentioned such a case being frivolous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone say anything when China Unicom (the state-run mobile carrier in China) debuted their RedBerry service, modeled after the BlackBerry?  I&#8217;m sure if RIM were able to actually raise a suit in that country for copyright violation, most people would have never mentioned such a case being frivolous.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 21:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sums it up well IMO. But in any case, it is not frivolous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sums it up well IMO. But in any case, it is not frivolous.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve (blackberrycool)</title>
		<link>http://www.rimarkable.com/example-of-why-rim-is-suing-samsung-over-the-name-blackjack#comment-34443</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve (blackberrycool)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll agree with the majority - this is a dumb lawsuit, but I think given the fact that the majority of less-educated consumers are bound to get these mixed up, it's a necessity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll agree with the majority - this is a dumb lawsuit, but I think given the fact that the majority of less-educated consumers are bound to get these mixed up, it&#8217;s a necessity.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not a question of it being American Cell's "fault."  The important piece is that there is not only a likelihood of confusion, but *actual* confusion, which is strong evidence in a trademark case.  In fact, on a linked page there is a comment that someone who wanted a Pearl for Xmas was given a Blackjack by his mother, *another* example of actual confusion. 

I agree that Blackberry shouldn't have rights to any name beginning with "Black-" but in a very specific product class (cell phones/smartphones) the similarity can be confusingly similar (and apparently is to some people).

I've dealt with several trademark litigations and have in addition read tons of case law and analysis on the subject.  I respectfully disagree, and believe that the suit is *not* frivolous.  This is a question of IP/trademark rights and infringement, not consumer liability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a question of it being American Cell&#8217;s &#8220;fault.&#8221;  The important piece is that there is not only a likelihood of confusion, but *actual* confusion, which is strong evidence in a trademark case.  In fact, on a linked page there is a comment that someone who wanted a Pearl for Xmas was given a Blackjack by his mother, *another* example of actual confusion. </p>
<p>I agree that Blackberry shouldn&#8217;t have rights to any name beginning with &#8220;Black-&#8221; but in a very specific product class (cell phones/smartphones) the similarity can be confusingly similar (and apparently is to some people).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve dealt with several trademark litigations and have in addition read tons of case law and analysis on the subject.  I respectfully disagree, and believe that the suit is *not* frivolous.  This is a question of IP/trademark rights and infringement, not consumer liability.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I worked for a consumer products company in both finance and brand marketing.
If a 3rd party (advertiser) takes the image of one products and overlays it against the verbage of a different product, then who is at fault.
Example; Walmart puts up a display of Coke and use the image of Pepsi in the ad, while talking about how refreshing Coke is.
Is Pepsi responsible for WalMart not doing due diligence and making sure that the images and verbage used in their instore displays don't match? No.
Same situation with American Cell. Samsung is not responsible for the mistake. 
If a customer walks into your store and starts talking about a smartphone that runs windows 5.0 and you show them a Treo 680 or Nokia E62, and they buy a BB 8700c, who's fault is it that the customer and sales rep didn't know the product?
The lawsuit is frivilous.

I saw a lawsuit filed against the makers of Vaseline Petroleum Jelly because even though the product is not sold in the aisle with Peanut Butter and Jelly/Jam and is not marked as a food product...some guy bought the medicated Vaseline, spread it on his toast and ate it. 
He got sick and sued for false advertising and his medical cost.
Now you tell me whose fault is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I worked for a consumer products company in both finance and brand marketing.<br />
If a 3rd party (advertiser) takes the image of one products and overlays it against the verbage of a different product, then who is at fault.<br />
Example; Walmart puts up a display of Coke and use the image of Pepsi in the ad, while talking about how refreshing Coke is.<br />
Is Pepsi responsible for WalMart not doing due diligence and making sure that the images and verbage used in their instore displays don&#8217;t match? No.<br />
Same situation with American Cell. Samsung is not responsible for the mistake.<br />
If a customer walks into your store and starts talking about a smartphone that runs windows 5.0 and you show them a Treo 680 or Nokia E62, and they buy a BB 8700c, who&#8217;s fault is it that the customer and sales rep didn&#8217;t know the product?<br />
The lawsuit is frivilous.</p>
<p>I saw a lawsuit filed against the makers of Vaseline Petroleum Jelly because even though the product is not sold in the aisle with Peanut Butter and Jelly/Jam and is not marked as a food product&#8230;some guy bought the medicated Vaseline, spread it on his toast and ate it.<br />
He got sick and sued for false advertising and his medical cost.<br />
Now you tell me whose fault is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: from your comments it seems that you are a lawyer.  If so could you please elaborate a little more on what the law actually says on this issue?

You are correct...I am no lawyer and so I am simply commenting on what seems to make sense...as most of us are on these blogs...which is why a true legal opinion would help us better understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: from your comments it seems that you are a lawyer.  If so could you please elaborate a little more on what the law actually says on this issue?</p>
<p>You are correct&#8230;I am no lawyer and so I am simply commenting on what seems to make sense&#8230;as most of us are on these blogs&#8230;which is why a true legal opinion would help us better understand.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 03:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Thought (#4) and Jay (#3):

Thought: Good comments up until the last paragraph.  *Actual* confusion, such as that displayed above, is a strong argument for trademark infringement.  It's not a question of claiming rights to every name beginning with "Black-" but to similar products and services beginning with it.  

Jay: It doesn't matter that the mistake here is not Samsung's "fault."  There is actual confusion by a distributor.  A court's opinion could likely follow that presented in the last paragraph of the above article.  And Samsung can be "at fault" because it gave a fairly similar name to a very similar product.  The lawsuit isn't "petty" if the similar names can cause confusion among typical consumers.  ANd the upcoming 8800 models will, if anything, beeven more similar to the Blackjack.

(I bet you can guess what I do by day....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Thought (#4) and Jay (#3):</p>
<p>Thought: Good comments up until the last paragraph.  *Actual* confusion, such as that displayed above, is a strong argument for trademark infringement.  It&#8217;s not a question of claiming rights to every name beginning with &#8220;Black-&#8221; but to similar products and services beginning with it.  </p>
<p>Jay: It doesn&#8217;t matter that the mistake here is not Samsung&#8217;s &#8220;fault.&#8221;  There is actual confusion by a distributor.  A court&#8217;s opinion could likely follow that presented in the last paragraph of the above article.  And Samsung can be &#8220;at fault&#8221; because it gave a fairly similar name to a very similar product.  The lawsuit isn&#8217;t &#8220;petty&#8221; if the similar names can cause confusion among typical consumers.  ANd the upcoming 8800 models will, if anything, beeven more similar to the Blackjack.</p>
<p>(I bet you can guess what I do by day&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Thought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay: I love your imagery of the American Cell worker with the bong doing the cut and paste...what a hoot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay: I love your imagery of the American Cell worker with the bong doing the cut and paste&#8230;what a hoot!</p>
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